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Aug 26, 2020

SeaWorld is planning to open up again. But there's always good reason to not support the animal abusement park. 

Here's a reprise of part two of our conversation with John Hargrove, the heralded orca trainer who blew the whistle at SeaWorld, and then went on to turn his story into a New York Times best seller, "Beneath the Surface."

In this podcast, Hargrove reveals how orca semen he collected may determine exactly how long SeaWorld stays in business.

Hargrove begins by talking about how the documentary "Blackfish" changed his life. He talks about the frustration with how long SeaWorld has managed to stay operational.  And he talks about how he deals with the guilt he still feels for the orcas who are still at SeaWorld. He says SeaWorld's future may be dependent on China and Russia, and the stash of orca semen he collected while leading the artificial insemination program at SeaWorld. To this day, Hargrove says, the semen remains unaccounted for.

Hargrove's best-selling book has just been recently published in China for people there to understand what happens "Beneath the Surface." 

Listen to part one of the Hargrove conversation here

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Originally Released March 11, 2020; Re-released Aug.26,2020.